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have designed patented and are marketing

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are medium mystic research and some

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mediums or rock stars yeah it was how

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jesus juice reach around pedophile

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skeptico where we explore controversial

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their critics i'm your host alex accaris

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evidence that no one really dies

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and radiant wellness a holistic guide

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mark welcome to skeptico thanks for

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let's dive in do it what's the cell

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the uninitiated give us the the big

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is being conducted by dr gary schwartz

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as you mentioned and his team of

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laboratory for advances in consciousness

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capture the signal of spirit and

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the trick is capturing their signal

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now we are working on the soul

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switch we say which is a binary

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series of different experiments

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the laptop in front of you that then

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michael jackson's reach around and why

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why god needs our help with your cell

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period control where nobody is doing

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anything so

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for each experiment we can see the

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difference between

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baseline which is kind of like the

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horizontal axis flat line eeg or ekg not

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much happening

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versus the spikes when they

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touch the particular device to answer

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yes or no

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this research is also double-blinded

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sometimes dr schwartz

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uh doesn't know who's going to be

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involved

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when at which lab and so on and

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finally it's peer-reviewed been

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published in peer-reviewed

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scientific journals in 2010-2011

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most recently an explorer coming out

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this year

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and the seminal paper being written

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right now hopefully for

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science advances so there's been

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real scientific research and

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you know alex a lot of people have

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beliefs about whether there is an

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afterlife or how some of this works

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but the true scientist has to follow the

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data

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this clear of a

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picture then one needs to follow that

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i'll pop up on the screen here for

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people here and i'm going to refer to

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this a couple times because it's got

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some good

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stuff in it it's a press release that

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you guys issued

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a couple years ago in 2017 and i like

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you know so again you have multiple

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kinds of experiments mark that you've

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done and that gary has done

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in case people are interested in coming

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at this from purely a physics

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perspective

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one of the most elegant beautiful

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physics experiments in the world is the

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double slit

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experiment where a photon beam is

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shot through and it either becomes

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everybody knows the experiment it's

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either a wave or a pattern

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based on whether there is an observer

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and all this

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implies that consciousness is somehow

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fundamental and that the standard model

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of materialism

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fails and the early experiments that you

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did

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was setting up a photon beam in a lab

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and shooting a camera at it so that you

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could watch that photon beam

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and then doing your thing in terms of

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querying these hypothesized

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entities in this extended consciousness

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realm and getting them to answer it

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you may be right about the details of

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that alex

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but it was before my time on i've been

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with gary now for four years

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the the photon beam experiment that he

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was doing

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at that time involved a photon beam

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or a laser beam going from

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point a to point b and a sensor measured

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in

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how long it took and the table is pretty

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long like 10 feet long but it was in

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nano

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seconds then a

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the control was of course nobody is in

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the room nobody's doing anything so we

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know that set time then for the

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human angle on things

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we put a human hand through the beam or

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a plexiglass

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hand through the beam and showed a

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marked

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decrease in the time it took to get from

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point a to point b

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then one of the quote spirit

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participants

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put their hand through again because

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they still have

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density or can have and indeed it was

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less than a human or plexiglass of

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course they're

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in another dimension hello but it was

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highly statistically significant

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versus the control groups perfect that's

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that's great so that's

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and that's just one of the experiments

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and there's a bunch of different

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experiments that have been done

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and as you said they've been replicated

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across multiple labs

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completely flies in the face of a

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materialistic explanation for that again

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you guys are playing by the rules right

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so

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science says sets it up and says these

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are the rules this is how you would

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determine

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whether you know you can measure things

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and in that way

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you did that so we're beyond that but

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here's where the problem gets in

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all the other stuff you've said is

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an interpretation of that that not

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everyone's on board with i mean even

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take

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dr julie bishol over at the windbridge

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institute they've been doing this for a

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long time with mediums

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they're not coming to exactly the same

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conclusions

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you talk to mediums mediums they're

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coming to all

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i've interviewed them on this show even

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the ones who are doing this as

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scientifically as i can

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as they can they're coming to all sorts

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of different conclusions about

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how these extended realms work who is

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involved in these extended realms

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and i think a lot of people would be

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very hesitant to say

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that your a team with uh michael jackson

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and uh

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sir arthur conan doyle that you are

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really connecting with those we don't

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even know what

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what to what those spirit beings would

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begin to to

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we can't even you don't like my term

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spirit being i had a

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spirit being i don't like whatever term

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you're associating with it

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we just do we really know enough about

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to start

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saying that stuff so i don't know matter

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of factly

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that's a fair question first of all

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people need to understand that the

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research

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of dr schwartz the university of arizona

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is

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as far as we know the only truly

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scientific

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replicated control double-blind all that

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that i mentioned

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research being done the others you

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mentioned

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are mediumistic research and some

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mediums or rock stars

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yeah it was how dr schwartz got into

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this area when he after he left yale and

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came to university of arizona 20 some

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years ago

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documenting that some mediums are very

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highly evidential but again

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some of those have bad days make

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mistakes etc

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but to answer the question of how we

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have a very high degree of certainty

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about who we're dealing with

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first of all about 10

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of the evidential mediums and you

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probably know them all

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the gary research in the late 1990s

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became colleagues and this is really how

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all this

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launched they started independently

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saying

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gary albert einstein keeps coming to me

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and he keeps telling me that you need to

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create technology

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to allow widespread communication

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between

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dimensions and so that's how i got

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started on it

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so that's one clue secondly

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we have developed a series of tests the

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first is called the personal

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identification test

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in which we ask 20 questions 10

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for which the answer should be no 10 the

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answer should be yes

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again we have control period where

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nothing is happening

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but they're hitting 80 percent accuracy

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and we

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consider that the other 20 is not that

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they're

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wrong about where they grew up or what

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their mom or dad's name was

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it's just the limitations in our uh

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tech our technology right now to measure

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their signals accurately

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the next test is called the expert

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knowledge test

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where we show a very rarely known

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very arcane piece of information for

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example

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part of albert dr einstein's

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theory of relativity i mean something no

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one would know and

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no one would certainly understand and

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show this on the computer screen and say

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einstein please signal yes if this is

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part of your theory of relativity

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or if it's worked by another prominent

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physicist

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back then the answer should be no so

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by doing a series of tests like this and

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all this

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independent evidential medium

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corroboration personal identity test

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the the expert knowledge test we have a

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high degree of certainty but we would

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never say we have absolute proof

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we definitively know who we're dealing

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with that appears who are dealing with

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one last thing on that at this point

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we're actually not

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talking about the a team much you know

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gary and his wife rhonda who's an

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evidential medium we're trying

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to be transparent share all this

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and years ago again before i came on

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board

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they were ridiculed and criticized

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pretty heavily oh really you know

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michael jackson harry houdini

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and so a few years ago they said you

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know what

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we are not going to talk about more

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because we are getting closer and closer

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every day

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to letting them speak for themselves

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uh letting them type through messages

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letting them do webinars and then they

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can

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explain a lot of these questions for

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themselves so it's really a side track

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but mark i mean the the problems here

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are almost

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too many to even start with

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but you're the guys who open that up

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what why why do you think you can open

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up the door and say

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trust us we know what we're doing we

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talked to the a-team and by the way the

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a-team

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includes middle michael jackson who you

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know the

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jesus juice reach around pedophile

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michael jackson

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he's on the a-team right so he's he's

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one of the 18

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guys i think you are going to get a lot

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of heat for that

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just like you're going to get a lot of

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heat for the idea that that

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you're you're somehow validating a form

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that

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we don't we can't even begin to describe

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what this form of consciousness is in

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this

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extended realm it seems to me like like

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i like to call it backdoor materialism

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it's like okay guys we're past this idea

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of

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materialism and you know everything is

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building blocks and

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we're meaningless robots and then you're

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starting to make all these

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assumptions about how the extended

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consciousness

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realm works i mean i don't get how you

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00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,840
can do that so let's we'll start

581
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,480
with the 18 michael jackson thing so a

582
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,600
lot of people

583
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:42,480
have serious questions legitimate

584
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:43,200
questions

585
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,640
about the moral standards of this one

586
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,559
individual

587
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,320
a lot of people wouldn't think he'd be

588
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,679
on the good side

589
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,600
over on that other realm that he might

590
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,679
be on that other side

591
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:58,000
why would we trust michael jackson why

592
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,880
would we trust

593
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,200
the spirit entity that is coming through

594
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,880
is it identifying themselves as

595
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,799
michael jackson even if they know all

596
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,240
the personal information

597
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,919
and are somehow getting all the rest of

598
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,720
that well first of all you made a

599
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:12,720
statement earlier we're asking people to

600
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trust

601
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:16,080
us we're not in fact we're not doing

602
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,200
much media

603
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,320
outreach right now for this very reason

604
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,240
because we're waiting until we have the

605
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,840
multi-center studies

606
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:26,159
involving six different universities and

607
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,600
institutes

608
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,159
and other things in place before we do

609
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,240
the public demonstration others we could

610
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,080
talk about all day alex

611
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,159
but it's another whole another thing to

612
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,039
see the public demonstrations

613
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,080
verified by skeptical scientists

614
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,120
independent uh people that it's

615
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,760
all above board what would they be

616
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:49,520
verifying

617
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:55,280
in other words looking at the control

618
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,000
looking at

619
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,840
when we're purportedly measuring the

620
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,520
signal of spirit

621
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,320
and making sure that there's no trickery

622
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,440
involved

623
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,919
everything is above board just like dr

624
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,120
schwartz did was

625
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,360
with his uh evidential medium

626
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,520
experiments as described in this book

627
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,240
the afterlife experiment so again we're

628
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,080
not trusting anybody and we're being

629
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,840
very selective about

630
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,760
doing interviews and probably won't do

631
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,120
any more because

632
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,760
until we're ready for all that because

633
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:24,960
um

634
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,159
we are you know we are not trying to

635
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,080
describe the nature of reality the only

636
00:23:33,630 --> 00:23:31,440
thing we will say

637
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,640
with absolute certainty and actually

638
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,440
99.9

639
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,480
certainty is that

640
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,640
life continues after bodily death that's

641
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,559
been indicated by these replicated

642
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,520
experiments

643
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,720
and at least some post material persons

644
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,840
have demonstrated their ability to

645
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:50,000
communicate

646
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,919
and their memory of earthly events in

647
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:55,919
other words we do tests where we say

648
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,400
is this a giraffe yes or no is this a

649
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,480
jet plane yes or no so they remember

650
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:01,440
that

651
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,600
as far as michael you have to understand

652
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,600
as an open mind and intelligent person

653
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,640
that you are

654
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,880
that there's all kinds of evidence out

655
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
there some

656
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,400
horrible toward him that would yes make

657
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,000
you think he's a pedophile

658
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,400
but also some that say those are

659
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,080
trumped-up charges those are on

660
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:22,159
corroborate charges and i'm not

661
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:25,840
prepared to get into all that um

662
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,789
yeah like i say we're gonna let them

663
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,320
speak for themselves

664
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,720
uh for people who want to focus on the

665
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,960
negative and michael jackson is accused

666
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,320
of being this

667
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,159
then they can focus on that we're

668
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,279
focusing on getting the working devices

669
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,159
to the point uh dr schwartz has recently

670
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,840
written two books and the first is

671
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:50,480
called the

672
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,679
case for truth about responsible truth

673
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:54,559
seeking with an

674
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,919
attorney alan bourie because as you know

675
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:00,320
we live in a day and age where

676
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,520
statements are made in a cavalier way

677
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:05,919
whether there's any fact behind them or

678
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,559
not

679
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,760
so people are distrustful of science

680
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,679
they're just stressful statements in the

681
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,960
media and so on

682
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,039
so dr schwartz want to write this to

683
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,640
help people understand

684
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:19,679
we are following the utmost ethics

685
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:23,840
and so that what we say is based on

686
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,880
science we are not making any new

687
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:28,559
statements about michael or hearing

688
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,360
anybody that's

689
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,159
years old information the second book

690
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,799
that dr schwartz has written is called

691
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,640
extraordinary claims require

692
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,240
extraordinary evidence

693
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,880
and that's based on a statement by carl

694
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,720
sagan and again

695
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,200
making the case that yeah we're making

696
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,120
extraordinary claim here that life

697
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,120
continues after bodily death

698
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,600
and at least some people can communicate

699
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,679
and here's our extraordinary evidence

700
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,799
behind that

701
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,640
so if you want to talk about the cell

702
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,720
phone devices the science the different

703
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,240
experiments great but if you want to

704
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,440
talk about the other

705
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,640
we'll need to abbreviate this we can

706
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,480
we can of course abbreviate it at any

707
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,679
time but the

708
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:10,640
the the point about uh michael jackson

709
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:10,960
is

710
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,480
not whether he's uh guilty of

711
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,360
the crimes that eyewitnesses have said

712
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,960
they've been there and have seen and

713
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,159
witnessed and

714
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,080
and his attorneys have kind of come out

715
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,520
and kind of said things

716
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,760
that's not the point the point is the

717
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,279
assumptions that you guys

718
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:30,320
seem to be making that fly in the face

719
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:30,880
of

720
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,640
not just um other mediums who've

721
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,120
reported these extended consciousness

722
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:39,520
realms differently than you have

723
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,279
but also all that excuse me alex so

724
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:45,360
whether it can make some headway let me

725
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,799
remark on that we are not making any uh

726
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,240
claims about the nature of other

727
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,640
uh realms what it's like there and so on

728
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,840
so there's no

729
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,360
there can't be a difference mark of

730
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,360
course you are of course you are

731
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,880
by the very nature of the way that you

732
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,720
described it you described

733
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,880
let me go back i can replay it for you i

734
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,240
can give you the transcript

735
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:08,960
you said that these are actual beings

736
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,200
and entities that lived here

737
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,039
and that they don't really die and that

738
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,760
their personality continues

739
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,520
maybe those weren't your exact words but

740
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,960
you did those are

741
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,360
all claims about how the extended

742
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,039
consciousness realm works

743
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,120
and that they have physicality and that

744
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:27,200
they have density those are all based

745
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,840
alex

746
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,000
on a series of experiments so perhaps

747
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,200
it'd be useful

748
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,760
for your uh viewers and i would suggest

749
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:34,799
mark is that

750
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,640
i i i i love the experiment

751
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:41,200
i love where you're going in terms of

752
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,080
falsifla

753
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,440
falsifying materialism and on our ex

754
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,279
our expanded understanding of

755
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,279
consciousness because i think that's the

756
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,200
greatest contribution we could make

757
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,520
i think it dovetails with the very

758
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:55,840
important near-death experience research

759
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,320
that

760
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,799
has been going on for the last 20 years

761
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,480
it dovetails with the

762
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,440
reincarnation research like at the

763
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,039
university of virginia

764
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,360
on the near death experience i know you

765
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,480
connected with

766
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:11,520
ians and dr jeff long he's been on this

767
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,919
show

768
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,200
for many times and is very popular guest

769
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:17,520
but if you go look at that research it

770
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,320
is very

771
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,480
problematic and they acknowledge that

772
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,559
it's problematic if you go look at

773
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,120
jeff long's database of near-death

774
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,240
experiences

775
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,320
they're contradictory they're all over

776
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,000
the place i've interviewed people

777
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,080
on this show that have had dramatic

778
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,760
spiritually transformative

779
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,840
experiences that are extremely

780
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,120
christian-based

781
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,640
ian mccormick as a near-death

782
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,880
experiencer who now goes around to

783
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,960
churches all around the world and his

784
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,080
message is

785
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,880
i saw jesus in my nde and i'll tell you

786
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,760
what if you saw

787
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,880
jesus in yours you had a real nde if you

788
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,600
didn't

789
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,240
it's probably satanic and you need to

790
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,520
step back on that yeah

791
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,520
okay the point is the point is i think

792
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,440
you guys are making the same

793
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,840
exact same mistake exact same mistake

794
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:02,880
when you start making

795
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,159
all these kind of very uh cut

796
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
and dried matter-of-fact statements that

797
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,159
you got out of your ouija board

798
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,360
about how extended consciousness works

799
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,640
well i would love to explain uh this to

800
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,120
you alex if you would like to listen

801
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:21,120
in our book greater reality living that

802
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,720
dr schwartz and i wrote

803
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,440
we broke down three types of evidence

804
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,640
for afterlife

805
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,520
and associated understandings one is

806
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,120
scientific research

807
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,200
which is defined as occurring in a

808
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,679
university-based

809
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,919
laboratory using all the things i

810
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,720
mentioned before

811
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,440
controlled double binder so on to our

812
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,559
knowledge we have

813
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,279
heard that there may be some research

814
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:46,960
like this going on in china

815
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,840
but otherwise no one else is doing this

816
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,000
sort of scientific research

817
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,159
that dr schwartz did first of all 20

818
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,679
years ago with mediums

819
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,679
as described in this book the afterlife

820
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,919
experiments and secondly now with the

821
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,799
soul phone

822
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,960
project again seven different

823
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,720
experiments which show

824
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:07,679
by replicated data the ability of post

825
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,640
material persons to have physicality

826
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:13,679
to move air to make

827
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:17,520
audio signals to be visualized

828
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:21,039
video etc that is what i'm basing those

829
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,080
experiments that were

830
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,399
basically my statements on about the

831
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:26,559
nature of post-material persons

832
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,760
now you mentioned near-death experiences

833
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,240
and other research that's what we call

834
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,600
clinical research

835
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:36,480
that's done by a university professors

836
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,360
physicians

837
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,559
and others in clinical settings but by

838
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,080
the very nature of the

839
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,640
of the experience near-death experiences

840
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:45,600
for example

841
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,399
you can't have control groups you can't

842
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,679
have double-blind

843
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:52,159
and all the different uh requirements

844
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:53,120
needed for true

845
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,600
scientific work and then the third

846
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:00,880
group of information or evidence

847
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,919
is termed experiential that is based on

848
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,679
first-hand experience

849
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:08,240
and that's where things can really get

850
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:08,720
uh

851
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:12,000
variable not objective whereas you say

852
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:12,640
you have

853
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,120
another person saying

854
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,320
you know jesus wasn't there so it's very

855
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,720
important alex because i know you're a

856
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:25,440
strong voice in this and and i hope you

857
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,760
uh

858
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,480
take the time to understand this are we

859
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,840
looking at scientific

860
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,880
clinical or experiential evidence

861
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,640
so let me try and back off and make this

862
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:36,159
because i'm so supportive of what you

863
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,120
guys are doing

864
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,039
and i think it's so important and you're

865
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,960
advancing the ball down the field

866
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,200
in a super important way with your

867
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:44,240
experiments

868
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,159
there seems to be in my opinion kind of

869
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,600
a a a problem here that i it seems

870
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,679
obvious to me i don't know why you don't

871
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,760
spot it more readily but

872
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,919
with what you're calling your laboratory

873
00:32:02,710 --> 00:31:58,960
work

874
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:02,720
you're introducing this hypothesized

875
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:06,320
disincarnate entity as soon as you do

876
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,960
that

877
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,279
you're no longer doing strictly

878
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,640
laboratory work

879
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,880
you're doing clinical work or you're

880
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:14,960
doing experiential work

881
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,159
just who you've substituted in there

882
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,320
is now who not a person per se

883
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,840
but it's a hypothesized person it's a

884
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,799
hypothesized experience you can still do

885
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,320
your laboratory work

886
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,159
like you're doing in my opinion this is

887
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,679
like i'm not i don't know this stuff

888
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,640
like you guys do

889
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:37,360
yeah seems to me a stretch to be saying

890
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:37,840
that

891
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,760
hypothesized

892
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:44,799
disincarnate entity as just another

893
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,399
instrument in the experiment

894
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,679
i don't get that um yeah i really hope

895
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,720
and in fact if you want to uh deep six

896
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:57,039
this interview and read greater reality

897
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,840
living i will

898
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,600
send you literature so you can

899
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:00,880
understand more because

900
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,159
excuse me it's complicated alex and your

901
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,960
viewers deserve to understand all the

902
00:33:11,549 --> 00:33:08,640
facts behind it so

903
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,559
the the very reason we call them

904
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:12,799
hypothesize

905
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:16,480
collaborators

906
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,919
is it is a hypothesis until it's proven

907
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,240
but to date we have so many different

908
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,760
experiments

909
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,640
they are not the measurement we are

910
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,880
measuring in seven different ways their

911
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:29,840
presence

912
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,000
and so by the research we're doing

913
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:36,640
could be and has been done with humans

914
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:37,440
involved

915
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:40,960
only in some cases we have allegedly

916
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,600
those who have passed on and their

917
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,320
signals

918
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,080
statistically

919
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,519
significant that's part of the

920
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:51,760
scientific method and and by the way i

921
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,000
mean

922
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,480
you read all my degrees and studies i

923
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,760
thought i knew

924
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,559
about science but actually i had to go

925
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,799
back and edit my previous books like

926
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,760
soul proof

927
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,840
because i was guilty of making

928
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,159
unsubstantiated

929
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:09,200
statements statements that went beyond

930
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:09,839
the current

931
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,200
evidence but i can guarantee you that dr

932
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,960
schwartz doesn't do that he's a true

933
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,679
scientist

934
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,720
been

935
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,879
his colleagues and advocates

936
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,000
unfortunately we live in a realm where

937
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,800
yeah even studying consciousness is

938
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,919
looked down upon

939
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,520
and so some of the scientists have

940
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,200
worked with him for decades

941
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,720
some were his students when he was at

942
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:35,119
harvard at yale a professor at harvard

943
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:35,760
yale

944
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,639
they say gary we believe in you we know

945
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,240
you're the best of the best

946
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:43,200
but we can't come out and publicly say

947
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:43,679
it

948
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,480
because we could lose our funding and so

949
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,399
that's the state of things in our world

950
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,000
right now if you know if you try to

951
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,320
prove that life after death exists

952
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,639
which is the number one fear and concern

953
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:56,240
of so many people

954
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,160
uh you're considered kooky uh so

955
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,440
we're we're gonna change all that and

956
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,920
it's coming i would just say uh to your

957
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,480
viewers

958
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,960
it's coming and you can learn a lot more

959
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:09,839
about all this

960
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,599
at the website soulphone.org

961
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,720
and understand this these complex

962
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,240
topics okay that's fair enough

963
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:24,079
i i if you've stood up to all my

964
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:27,920
toughest questions so i i'm very very

965
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,200
uh skeptical of your use of the

966
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,720
term laboratory experiments that include

967
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:37,280
uh hypothesized disincarnated entities

968
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,320
as just uh

969
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,320
as like some photon beam over in the

970
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,000
corner but we'll leave that

971
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:45,680
where it is tell us um what's going on

972
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,400
in in your world in terms of one of the

973
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,079
things that you're doing that i think

974
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,280
anyone should be able to get behind

975
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,480
and embrace is you're a people helper

976
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,000
you know when i read your bio

977
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,760
you can read that you've dedicated your

978
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,760
life to trying to help people and

979
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:04,560
particularly when people are in

980
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,000
a vulnerable grieving situation

981
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:10,000
your whole life has been about trying to

982
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,440
reach those people and connect with

983
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,119
those people and no doubt

984
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:15,119
that's driving this work because you see

985
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,400
how

986
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,560
comforting and transformational these

987
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:20,560
kind of experience

988
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,640
people specifically you seem to be

989
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:25,520
setting up

990
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,880
programs in order to bring that kind of

991
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,560
relief to people

992
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,960
through the soul phone foundation tell

993
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
people more about

994
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,480
what you're doing in in your personal

995
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,839
practice in your books

996
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,119
and also through the cell phone

997
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:45,270
yeah we um dr schwartz and i saw early

998
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,760
on

999
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,280
that there was going to be a huge

1000
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:48,800
paradigm shift

1001
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,560
and um we wanted to help as many people

1002
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,800
as possible prepare for that

1003
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,800
wrap their heads around it i don't know

1004
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,160
if you saw a netflix

1005
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,480
movie a few years ago robert redford was

1006
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,359
a star

1007
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,119
and we were excited about it coming out

1008
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,960
because the premise is very similar to

1009
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,040
what we're actually doing in the lab

1010
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:10,000
and that is a top scientist proved

1011
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,200
without a doubt

1012
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,079
life after death where they went with it

1013
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,320
was extremely dark and that is a lot of

1014
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,079
people around the world

1015
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,119
committed suicide and we're like what

1016
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,720
can you take a possibly

1017
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,680
worse scenario from this but we

1018
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:26,640
understand that

1019
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,880
number one two so many people have had

1020
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,520
spiritually transformed experiences out

1021
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:34,800
of body experiences

1022
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,599
after death communications shared death

1023
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,280
experiences etc

1024
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:41,359
but they think they're the only ones and

1025
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,560
they are

1026
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,480
considered they're afraid of being

1027
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,160
considered kooky or crazy

1028
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,560
you know it wasn't so long ago that if

1029
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,359
someone

1030
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,000
went to a psychiatrist and said hey when

1031
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,680
almost i saw the light you know they

1032
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,440
give them a hell doll

1033
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:57,599
interestingly i had an interview with a

1034
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:00,160
uh i was actually helping a psychiatrist

1035
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,280
last week

1036
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,359
and she was telling me about the various

1037
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,200
after death communications from her

1038
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,520
husband who passed on years ago

1039
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,079
and she said i swear to god i'm not

1040
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,560
crazy i really had these experiences and

1041
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,520
i started laughing

1042
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,359
she said you're laughing i said yeah i

1043
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,119
never thought i'd live long enough

1044
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,800
to have a psychiatrist try to convince

1045
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,400
me she's not crazy

1046
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,680
because she's having what i've been

1047
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:25,760
teaching people about for 40 years so

1048
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,440
maybe the world is ready

1049
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,599
so we want to have these greater reality

1050
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,000
living groups close to pandemic squash

1051
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,560
those we had about 10 going in a couple

1052
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,440
countries

1053
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,079
where people can learn the evidence

1054
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,079
share their personal experiences learn

1055
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,119
how to

1056
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:43,920
internalize this great news because a

1057
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,440
dry

1058
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:47,040
superficial intellectual knowing doesn't

1059
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,240
get us through the day

1060
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,160
when it gets tough you know we're dying

1061
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,240
or a loved one passes or whatever

1062
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,280
we want people to internalize know it to

1063
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,640
learn all the benefits

1064
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,520
that a company knowing a very high

1065
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,800
degree of certainty that

1066
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,119
all this is true and then finally how

1067
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,480
can we serve others

1068
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,640
and make our world a better place so

1069
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,839
that's one of the

1070
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,640
the focuses and people can learn more

1071
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:11,760
about that

1072
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:16,680
by visiting greaterrealityliving.com

1073
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:20,079
greaterrealityliving.com i also just set

1074
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,400
up

1075
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:22,560
with the director of ins which you

1076
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:23,599
mentioned earlier

1077
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,160
chuck swedrock a series of monthly

1078
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,160
presentations for the next year sharing

1079
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,280
this with a lot of people

1080
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:36,400
also i i'm very heavily involved with

1081
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,119
the group

1082
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,359
helping parents heal us on the board for

1083
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,480
five years

1084
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,520
i write their q a and i

1085
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,640
train their leaders and their

1086
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,640
caring listeners i think we have about

1087
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,040
80 groups now around the world

1088
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,079
so yes the yeah i've been doing this for

1089
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,000
40 years

1090
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,160
as as you said since working with all

1091
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,680
these dying people

1092
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,680
and before i had to lead with the

1093
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:04,480
clinical and experiential evidence

1094
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,839
which when taken together is very very

1095
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,359
strongly indicating this

1096
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,119
but now when you add the scientific

1097
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,480
research that almost nobody knows about

1098
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,599
it makes such a strong case and i've had

1099
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,240
people write me and say you know i was

1100
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,359
thinking about

1101
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,599
ending my life but i decided to stick

1102
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,480
around

1103
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,280
because i see hope now and i want to see

1104
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:28,640
how this works out

1105
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,480
or how brief parents contact me and say

1106
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,560
my husband and i didn't know how we were

1107
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,079
going to get through this

1108
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,200
but thanks to what you are doing sharing

1109
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,480
all this evidence

1110
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:44,000
and the hope of someday having

1111
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,599
practical affordable widespread devices

1112
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,000
not total certainty but a good

1113
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:51,440
likelihood

1114
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:54,560
you know that helps immensely

1115
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,160
mark how do you handle religious issues

1116
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,240
because again you know there's two sides

1117
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,839
to that some people

1118
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,839
find that comforting other people find

1119
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,040
that oppressive

1120
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:09,440
and particularly people find that in

1121
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,079
their

1122
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,920
been a

1123
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:16,000
closing of a door rather than an opening

1124
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,440
of doors so there's a whole spectrum

1125
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:19,040
people understand that how do you deal

1126
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:20,079
with it in terms of this

1127
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,160
afterlife situation yeah good question

1128
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,319
it depends on which hat i'm wearing alex

1129
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,880
the uh if i'm the director of the soul

1130
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:29,680
phone

1131
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,800
foundation uh research assistant for the

1132
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,079
soul phone foundation

1133
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,560
we don't talk about it we quit because

1134
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,720
we know it's just a quagmire and people

1135
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,280
can get

1136
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:42,319
so upset so quickly however from my

1137
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,200
decades

1138
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,319
wearing the sole proof hat i

1139
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,400
addressed it head-on because it's such

1140
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,680
an important topic

1141
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:51,839
as you said i went to theology school

1142
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,400
purposely to learn from myself

1143
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,440
the true story the original meanings

1144
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,520
of some of the sayings in the bible that

1145
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,599
any child can hear and go

1146
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,760
what what's up with that you got a god

1147
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,880
of unfathomable love and caring

1148
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:09,280
who depending on if we believe or do

1149
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,319
certain things

1150
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,960
will allow us or put us into a fiery

1151
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,319
eternal hell forever

1152
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,440
it's schizophrenic and as you say

1153
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:19,680
many people have been turned off by

1154
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,480
religion and i totally understand it

1155
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,960
i've had many conversations with people

1156
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:26,480
who claim to be

1157
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,000
atheists or agnostics and when we talk

1158
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,000
about it we find that actually what

1159
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,359
they're rejecting

1160
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,640
is the archaic dark ages notion of a

1161
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,040
god is a big guy in the sky sitting on a

1162
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,640
throne deciding who gets

1163
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:43,520
smited and who goes to heaven forever

1164
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,160
they

1165
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,680
do recognize many of them however

1166
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,640
like the force i mean the star star wars

1167
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,720
series have done a better job

1168
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:54,400
of helping people understand that

1169
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,839
there's some creative

1170
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,599
loving supportive

1171
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,240
presence and power in the universe

1172
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,079
better than most religions

1173
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,880
and so they they get that some sort of

1174
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,880
universal consciousness

1175
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,000
one mind look at the nativistic

1176
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,200
approaches great spirit etc so that's

1177
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,280
why i try to make clear to people

1178
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:20,480
like alice huxley wrote

1179
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,400
about the um the golden threads the

1180
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,880
perennial philosophy he called it

1181
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,280
so also like thomas jefferson he said

1182
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:31,760
look for the golden threads that run

1183
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,280
among the world's great religions next

1184
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,359
trust your inner voice what makes sense

1185
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,359
to you about it and third

1186
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:41,359
look at the contemporary evidence we

1187
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,760
have and those three perhaps then

1188
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
give one the best understanding of

1189
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:47,760
what's going on let me give you just

1190
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,589
you know we hear about heaven and hell

1191
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,000
and those have morphed over time

1192
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,560
into a place way up in the sky or deep

1193
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,160
in the bowels of the earth

1194
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,400
actually the aramaic which is the

1195
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,079
formative language at the time

1196
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:07,280
judaism islam and christianity form and

1197
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,000
those

1198
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:11,119
in that language the words for heaven

1199
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,079
and hell

1200
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,960
meant how you feel when you die and you

1201
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,640
go through a passageway

1202
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,680
experience a sorting out and you see

1203
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,000
what you've done all right now let's go

1204
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,839
fast forward a couple thousand years

1205
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,920
with near-death experiences and so many

1206
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,200
of them describing

1207
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
one of the most transformative aspects

1208
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,119
of the na nde being

1209
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:34,079
the life review that they not only see

1210
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,400
it

1211
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:37,440
but feel what they did and said to

1212
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,079
others

1213
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,160
and so that can be very heavenly or it

1214
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,599
can be very hellish

1215
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,240
but that's and for example somebody like

1216
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:46,400
hitler he may have to sleep for a long

1217
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,200
time

1218
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,319
he may have a hellish life review

1219
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,359
but that's different from eternal fiery

1220
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,520
hell

1221
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,880
great great so mark it's uh again

1222
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,560
super exciting about the work that

1223
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,720
you're doing what's the best way for

1224
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,400
people to stay

1225
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:06,560
on top of what's going on and let's say

1226
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,000
we haven't talked at all

1227
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,359
about uh your book what's the best

1228
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,200
book we've mentioned several of them

1229
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,040
what's the best

1230
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,319
i don't know entry point in your opinion

1231
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:20,800
for folks who are intrigued with this

1232
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,440
yeah

1233
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,599
well first of all the best there are two

1234
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,200
websites that people should

1235
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:28,240
see and the first is soul and i'm sorry

1236
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:28,960
these are so

1237
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,440
similar soul proof soulproof.com

1238
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,560
that is mine i have now 75 free

1239
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:39,280
articles on it that address the toughest

1240
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,920
of the tough

1241
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,760
questions and challenges people go

1242
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,190
when when your child changes worlds

1243
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:50,160
when a loved one's body is murdered when

1244
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:50,960
a loved one

1245
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,599
passes by suicide if you go to home

1246
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,520
and then you'll see all the different

1247
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,599
articles so these are free articles that

1248
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,000
people

1249
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,200
can read next yeah if you scroll down

1250
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,640
you'll see some of these

1251
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:07,359
by the way um there we go by the way

1252
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,240
notice the

1253
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,680
specific language when a loved one's

1254
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,359
earthly body dies

1255
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,240
the loved one doesn't die or at least a

1256
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,000
wealth of scientific clinical and

1257
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:19,839
experiential evidence

1258
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,680
indicates that but the body does

1259
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,079
so that's one free resource next if you

1260
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:28,079
go to the top and to the right you'll

1261
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,480
see

1262
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:31,680
radio shows i was a radio show host

1263
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,200
twice over the last 20 years and

1264
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,839
i interviewed people like wayne dyer

1265
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,400
brian

1266
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,359
weiss michael newton before he passed

1267
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:43,119
bernie siegel you know the best of the

1268
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,839
best

1269
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,920
yeah actually radio shows i think it's

1270
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:47,280
further to the right

1271
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,200
and so there are free interviews

1272
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,480
uh with these great minds that people

1273
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,839
can listen to there you go

1274
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,640
and download i mean look at this list

1275
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:01,920
carolyn mace

1276
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,200
anita morijani bill guggenheim

1277
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,359
pioneering after death communications

1278
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:08,720
etc

1279
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,079
and then that list below i mean giants

1280
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,119
uh so that's another free resource the

1281
00:47:20,109 --> 00:47:17,280
next is sign up for the free

1282
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,119
email newsletter so that's all with

1283
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,520
soulproof.com and then i have five books

1284
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,240
12 different transformative audio

1285
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,319
experiences for example past life

1286
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,200
aggression

1287
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,240
training with brian weiss on holistic

1288
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,520
breathing etc

1289
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,680
to answer your question the book on the

1290
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,280
upper left

1291
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,839
is probably the best entry point for

1292
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,240
many people by all this because it is

1293
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,160
so vast and complex can seem

1294
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,520
overwhelming

1295
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,839
this is the most recent book is it the

1296
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:49,359
big picture of life is that's what

1297
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,079
you're different

1298
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,280
yes that was written alex for ages 10

1299
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:55,040
through 16 but the feedback we're

1300
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,680
getting

1301
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,160
is from adults they say i hate to say it

1302
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,920
but i get a lot more out of

1303
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,400
this kid's book than i did out of soul

1304
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,319
proof and greater rowdy living and we

1305
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:05,520
understand it

1306
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,040
um so that's that part the second

1307
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:10,480
website again

1308
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,000
soul phone dot org and then that's

1309
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,359
all about the soul phone project

1310
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,720
uh research update and

1311
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,280
a number of radio shows that i've done

1312
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:24,880
so this is where people can

1313
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,400
learn about this um

1314
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:30,240
again because it's just such a big

1315
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,240
subject it's it's mind-boggling really

1316
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,319
well you've done a great job of laying

1317
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,480
it out and i'm glad i had a chance to

1318
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,760
ask you some of the questions that i

1319
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:40,800
haven't heard you

1320
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,960
asked on other shows so fantastic

1321
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,119
again congratulations with all this

1322
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,880
important work and uh

1323
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,440
hey we will be looking forward to it it

1324
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:52,880
can only

1325
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,800
what you're bringing forward

1326
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,480
one way or another we'll know we will

1327
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,319
know more and that's always good so

1328
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,720
thank you mark all right thank you alex

1329
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,960
take care

1330
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,800
thanks again to dr mark pittstick for

1331
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,480
joining me today on skeptico

1332
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,680
i know i kind of got in mark's face

1333
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,920
and i guess indirectly gary schwartz's

1334
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,240
face about their soul phone

1335
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,400
and their soul phone quote-unquote

1336
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:19,440
laboratory

1337
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:22,880
experiments but in a way these

1338
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,160
experiments are fantastic

1339
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,680
so if they have a laboratory experiment

1340
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:32,720
with a hypothesized spirit

1341
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,640
entity isn't that kind of great in a way

1342
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:39,680
in that it kind of forces the phony

1343
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,480
baloney

1344
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,079
physics materialism science is wrong

1345
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,640
about almost everything it kind of

1346
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,720
forces their hand right

1347
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:51,280
because on one hand if you want to say

1348
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,839
hey

1349
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,720
that's not a legitimate experiment

1350
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,760
because you have an

1351
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,920
entity there that may be affecting that

1352
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,200
experiment

1353
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,040
well now you've acknowledged

1354
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,280
consciousness not only consciousness but

1355
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,240
the kind of

1356
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,640
extended consciousness that we talk

1357
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,680
about

1358
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,359
on the other hand if you want to try and

1359
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:11,920
hold the line and say well there's no

1360
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,559
such thing as extended consciousness

1361
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
then you gotta let his experiment in and

1362
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,359
move him right to the front of the line

1363
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,599
for the nobel prize hey he sure has my

1364
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,960
nomination right

1365
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,040
if you're gonna hold to your phony

1366
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,520
baloney biological robot meaningless

1367
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,200
universe science

1368
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:31,839
then you gotta let in an experiment that

1369
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:33,200
for all the rules

1370
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,640
does everything right now

1371
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,960
if we can get to that point which we

1372
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,200
most certainly cannot

1373
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,880
for all the reasons we talk about so

1374
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,559
often on this show but if you can get to

1375
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:45,599
that point

1376
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,800
then you're really at the next level

1377
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,440
where science needs to be because then

1378
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,480
and only then can you talk about why we

1379
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,960
might be a little bit uncomfortable with

1380
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:57,760
the

1381
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:01,680
reach around jesus juice michael jackson

1382
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:05,040
purporting to be the guy who's on the

1383
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:06,319
other end

1384
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:09,760
of your ouija board but like i say

1385
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,839
we'll probably never get there but the

1386
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,440
first part of that question is pretty

1387
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,640
interesting

1388
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:17,359
what do you think hey the best place to

1389
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,760
reach

1390
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,640
me is skeptical forum you can also shoot

1391
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,760
me an email

1392
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,680
stick around i have some good shows

1393
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:25,280
coming up i think

1394
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:29,770
until next time take care and bye for